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on: November 28, 2010 01:55
I agree, Corma..it is kind of hard for me to picture RA as Thorin particularly after seeing him as Guy of Gisborne (and as the love interest in the Vicar of Dibley!)--but no doubt they will work their makeup magic on him...
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on: November 29, 2010 07:19
I get the feeling that there is rather more planned for the film than is in the book so it'll be great to see what old Raddy was up to, and all the others. Might be a good film after all, just for that.
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on: December 02, 2010 01:56
It should be a good film if it wasn't so racist :banghead:

read the article if you haven't already
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/the-hobbit-accused-of-racism-will-peter-jackson-be-forced-to-hire-multi-cultural-hobbits-21915.html
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on: December 02, 2010 02:22
If there are politically-correct hobbits I won't even bother to go see the film. I want to see a work of Tolkien, not an americanized, modernized multicultural piece. JRRT wrote it that way. It's an all-male all-one-race book, and many in the modern society will undoubtedly be annoyed by that (as they possibly did with LotR- or did noone mind that then?) and that should be retained in the movie otherwise it's not canon. It's not PJ's fault. JRRT was far from today's political corecteness when he wrote it. Deal with it.
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on: December 02, 2010 05:32
Racist, my ass. The complaint is utterly ludicrous. Ditto what noleme said. A director has a right to put out a call specifying whatever or whoever they need for the movie. As the article pointed out, (as if it needed to) it's an English mythology. The English are pale-skinned.
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on: December 02, 2010 05:58
So ... the world has officially gone mad!
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on: December 02, 2010 12:43
It's either a very stupid person or a very smart person who caught a scent of easy money... then again some people have even accused Star Trek for being racist.

Though we did have a blond Achiles... I say cast a tall, blond bloke with a strong German accent and a skinny short haired women with a Russian accent to play the Sackville-Bagginses. Smaug could be played by an Irishman cause he's sitting on a pot of gold.

Heck, I'd cast a guy with a scouser accent to play one of the Dwarves, just for kicks
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on: December 02, 2010 12:56
I don't understand the whole "racist" theme. I hope it'll be soon forgotten and move on to better things. We want our film!:love:
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on: December 03, 2010 07:11
If someone gets offended for not being cast as a elf because he's short or too dark to become a hobbit... Seriously.
The main thing is about recreating Tolkien's world, so make the movie according to the book and don't focus on that kind of small potatoes. If there's no black persons in the book why would there be in the movie?
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on: December 03, 2010 02:04
My thoughts are:

one: is this article real and not made up? It looks like it is real. But I was just wondering.

two: :banghead: Really.
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on: December 04, 2010 08:29
I too agree with nólemë. I'm not racist, but I surely don't want to see hobbits other than what they're supposed to be ... fair-skinned.

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on: December 08, 2010 12:54
Just saw on Torn that the casting agent who was involved in the light skin tone incident got fired. Mad world indeed. I wonder if the lady that made all this commotion will send a Christmas card to his family...
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on: December 08, 2010 01:47
LoL.maybe they should have said "willing to wear whiteface"....sounds like stupidity over nothing. Was she just mad that they weren't looking for someone like her?
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on: December 09, 2010 08:03
I've tried to read all posts but they're too many so forgive me if this has already been discussed:

Since it is said that Galadriel will be in "The hobbit" film. I think it's weird, I don't see how she's going to fit in the story.

I've also heard rumours about Legolas, which makes a little more sense, since he's from Mirkwood.

What do you think of this? Do you want to see these characters in "The hobbit" though they weren't described in the book?
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on: December 09, 2010 09:23
Well in 'The Hobbit' timeline, the White Council also took place - which explains for Gandalf's constant disappearance from the Dwarf-band ... although not described in the book itself, it is known that the White Council included Saruman, Gandalf, Galadriel and Radagast and more ...

Now, since the filmmakers will lay out the entire 'Hobbit' story in two films, this will allow them to go into detail in the White Council story and show all these characters - hence, the introduction of Galadriel ...

Personally, I like the idea of introducing LoTR characters - but not overdo it ... Legolas should be in the background ... it'll be more effective I think than having him in a major role.
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on: December 09, 2010 12:33
I am of one mind with you Ilandir

I'm fine with these two characters being cast in The Hobbit, although my appreciation will yet depend on what the scriptwriters make them do.
As for Galadriel, she's in Mirkwood at the same time the dwarves are, and we've seen in LotR that 2-3 parallel storylines can work quite fine, so why not Personally, Galadriel's presence in Mirkwood makes way more sense to me than Arwen's at Bruinen

I've just read this rant article featured among the main ones on Yahoo from authors who admit to never having read any of JRRT's books. How come such people feel entitled to shake their heads on Legolas's and Galadriel's appearances when they have to be told by their friends these two weren't in The Hobbit? And presume to know the reactions of fans who, being apparently more knowledgeable than said friends, chose so far mostly not to make a fuss about this since they know Galadriel and Legolas are supposed to be around, just not officially named yet? :nono:
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on: December 09, 2010 02:38
[q]JRRT wrote it that way[/q] He wrote that they were rosy-cheeked but is there any other description?
Perhaps the Stoors were a bit darker? I don't think many would be bothered what colour and shape the hobbits were these days. I'd soon forget it and get into the story. A dwarf and a hobbit talking with a Scottish accent? I got over that. Race is a discredited word now, it has no sensible meaning. The word 'bigot' is much better than 'racist' as it focuses on the bigot, not the victim.
I wouldn't want to see any A blood group hobbits, though. Surely they were O?
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on: December 10, 2010 12:35
I'm really happy with PJ's decision to include Galadriel again (don't mind Legolas either though I'm not really his target audience).

From the start I've very much favored doing Hobbit in film 1 and then have the film 2 as the bridge movie, completely new to give this whole world and injection of something fresh and unexpected. Since the idea has been dropping I'll be rooting for having as much additional content possible. The White Council scene would be a must. And you really can't go wrong with more Galadriel.

Hopefully they'll be able to get Christopher Lee as well, while he's 88 I'm sure he'd make every effort to be in the movie.
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on: December 10, 2010 07:23
When I first saw the mention of Legolas I thought absolutley not! Once I read the explanation I calmed down a bit and thought it'd be okay. It would make sense to have him at Mirkwood. Maybe be at his father's side or with the hunting party, or just off to the side at the feast.
Galadriel I can understand even better, she being the one who threw down Dol Guldur.
Having Christopher Lee would be wonderful too. He was on the White Council.
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on: December 10, 2010 11:37
[q]JRRT wrote it that way[/q] He wrote that they were rosy-cheeked but is there any other description?


Tarcolan, since it's my post you're sort of making fun of I feel obliged to react, otherwise I'd gladly pass it: show me a black-skinned person with rosy cheeks, or indeed a person of any other race than white living on the British Isles at around the time of let's say Béowulf -and originating from such a climate- and I'll shut up. I maintain that multicultural hobbits don't belong in JRRT's world, it's a modern concept which if you want to see, you can just switch on the TV or buy a regular cinema ticket.


I agree with all those who are eager to see Christopher Lee as Saruman again, I would sure love it :love:
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on: December 10, 2010 03:55
I'm not racist; I despise racism. However, I completely agree with what everyone has to say on the matter--LotR was written to give England its own myth; why would you cast anyone else? That article really made me :banghead:.
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on: December 11, 2010 08:19
Well in 'The Hobbit' timeline, the White Council also took place - which explains for Gandalf's constant disappearance from the Dwarf-band ... although not described in the book itself, it is known that the White Council included Saruman, Gandalf, Galadriel and Radagast and more ...


Oh, you're right! It's just that I couldn't remember it, silly me It'd be awesome if they showed us what was going on at the same time the events in "the hobbit" took place.
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on: December 12, 2010 09:43
I also feel that if Galadriel and Legolas's appearances are used with discretion they will enhance the storyline and not detract. For those who never read the Hobbit books it will be a good bridge so to speak between the two series. Perhaps she could sit in on the moon-runes conversation, perhaps he could be shown sitting at his father's side in the Mirkwood throne room. It wouldn't take much to fill out the story a bit and relate the characters, showing how they fit in to the overall story that is to come, but not take away from the story that is being told.
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on: December 13, 2010 03:50
Well said, Aowyn I feel that way too.

Another character I would love to see is Sauron as Necromancer, and with a bit of luck, as Annatar for a second or two. I really liked how they did Annatar in the rejected version of the Black Gate scene
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on: December 13, 2010 04:55
Sauron as Annatar! That sounds like terrific idea! A glimpse of Ainurin powers, a hint of his real being, a bit of history! Not as a fiery ball or a darkness clad in steel, but as the beautiful Lord of Gifts... (that would make corrupted fans sprout up as mushrooms after rain :naughty: )

Now speaking of characters who should be in the movie... as a disappointment and a plot-preplexing mystery there was no Dain Ironfoot in the animated Hobbit-movie from the 70's. Although that version never included even the Arkenstone.The Battle of Five Armies was more of a: "Oh look, orcs are coming: we must unite," and thus they did. I'm quite sure both Dain and the Arkenstone will be included this time.

Also - if including the White Council - this might be a good time to show Saruman as he was before his downfall and turn to evil. But as there have been no signs of re-casting Cristopher Lee (as far as I know) it seems unlikely, which is a great pity. Some other characters for the WC would be Círdan and maybe Celeborn. And get the latter to say something "wise" this time to prove his title's not in vain...

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on: December 14, 2010 09:28
I also like Annatar's image from the deleted scene of the Black Gates! That would be a good idea to insert just a small scene with Sauron in that form ...
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on: December 15, 2010 03:22
I'm encouraged by the latest casting but I would've liked to see Aragorn again, one last time. Didn't he and Gandalf meet during this time? I think it's within the copyright licence. Its a shame when copyright law gets in the way of a good story. Aragorn as Thorongil would be a great link to LOTR.
Apologies to Noleme, I was treading on the concept of 'race', not your post. I know I'm too flippant sometimes. However I would agree that hobbits had been living in temperate climes long enough to lose some skin tone they may have had, and as no-one knows their origin I wouldn't be surprised at a slightly duskier hobbit turning up. Frodo's double was Indian. Maybe not a Japanese hobbit though eh? Or an English samurai for that matter.
Fingers still crossed...
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on: December 15, 2010 04:07
@ Annatar- that would have to be for a couple of seconds only, like it was in the deleted Black gate scene, before he assumes his hideous -mail-clad, in the movies- form He cannot assume the body of Annatar anymore, but I would gladly see the Annatar flashback again before he does whatever the moviemakers would have him do- disperse like in the Last Alliance or whatever So everyone from the White Council recognizes him as Sauron; that would be very cool

And I agree Gwen, the number of corrupted fans would rise considerably if they saw Sauron's fair form (if the other choice are dwarves, Beorn, and Celeborn... )

Tarcolan, apologies accepted I agree that hobbits are, just like men, not as snowy-white as the elves are supposed to be; and somewhat darkish hobbits- why not. (I don't count doubles; they had prosthetic masks on their faces so they can be played by any human for all I care ) I just don't wish them to belong to a different race, and I doubt JRRT would. He seems to have felt pretty strongly about this issue.

As for Aragorn, we may see him, or we may not. I have a feeling that introducing him might be just a bit too much over-linking to LotR which a non-fan moviegoer might not get. But if he were cast, I wouldn't have a problem with him Just don't expect to see Viggo, Estel is supposed to be about 10 when the dwarf company arrives in Rivendell
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on: December 25, 2010 08:29
the hobbit is really coming out but in 2011 only thing is its not by pj
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on: December 26, 2010 01:57
orcslayer, 'The Hobbit' will be released in 2012 and 2013, and yes, will be directed by Peter Jackson. Filming will begin 2011 in February
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on: January 07, 2011 03:55
has anyone heard the latest about Frodo?

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2011/01/07/41520-elijah-wood-will-be-in-the-hobbit/#more-41520

What does everyone think? I guess, it's a good idea ... we'll see how they play it out ...
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on: January 07, 2011 04:16
You made my day Ilandir, I'm a huge Frodo- and EW-as-Frodo fan and just hope this isn't a false announcement :love: I would love to see a Frodo scene in the movie- presumably of how Bilbo adopts him?
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on: January 07, 2011 04:19
Hm... I don't object, but I'm not that crazy about it either, It may be good with a bigger connection to LotR. Somehow I think the sory being told to Frodo gives it a fairy-taleish touch I can't put my finger on. It's like a :"Sit down, Frodo-lad and hear about a grand tale," and then Frodo will listen to it like those hobbit kids in FotR... But I don't think they should include too many LotR characters.

Isn't Elrond's casting yet confirmed? I hope we see Weaving return.
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on: January 07, 2011 04:26
If they can fit Frodo in seamlessly in a way that makes sense to The Hobbit...then I like this news.

Who'm I kidding? Even if they can't, I still like it.
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on: January 07, 2011 05:43
Not sure I like this news much... I guess they plan to open the movie with Frodo reading the Red Book. Somehow I always hoped they would surprise us with Ian Holm and open the movie with him narrating.

But in PJ I trust so I'm sure he knows what he's doing and that it will be good in the end.
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