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Erucenindë
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on: July 28, 2009 08:31
jeremy irons? ya he would be a good Smaug.

and kate would have been a good Arwen too, i think. though I also think Liv did an awsome job herself.
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on: July 28, 2009 12:26
Now tell me that Martin Freeman couldn't play Bilbo!

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on: July 28, 2009 12:46
Hahaha, that's awesome, BerethEdhellen! Did you make that?

Uncanny resemblence, there...
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on: July 28, 2009 12:46
David Tennant is apparently also being considered as a potential Bilbo... I'm not sure about that idea. ...he actually does look hobbitish, albeit in a very mischievous, Pippinesque kind of way, which probably wouldn't work ...And again, a bit young to play a fifty-year-old. ...Bilbo would actually look fifty.


*squee!* Where did you hear that? I didn't see that rumor before... (is big Tennant fan) As for him not seeming serious/old enough for the part- did you see him in the Doctor Who episode 'Human Nature' and its sequel? He played a human professor after losing his Time Lord memory... a very Bilbo-ish character, now that I think about it.

Martin Freeman *would* play a good Bilbo, too, though. And Irons for Smaug? Perhaps. But what about Michael Madsen- the actor who played Maugrim in 'Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe'?

BTW, Bereth, love that poster. Where'd you find it?
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on: July 28, 2009 12:50
Oh jeez. Maugrim for Smaug? I dunno, he sounds too gruff, and I'd want someone with a deeper-sounding voice...
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on: July 28, 2009 07:13
haha that's good Bereth! I have to agree with you, he does look like a good hobbit.
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on: July 29, 2009 06:00
So they have a first draft of a script which they will submit, but they don't have any financial backing? Does this mean that they weren't shut down by Tolkien Ent. ? :dizzy:
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on: August 06, 2009 02:22
It means that they need to be "greenlighted" and get official funding from the studio- a budget- before they can really start rolling. I have a lot of trouble given the success of LoTR that they won't get a go-ahead from the studio however.
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on: August 07, 2009 07:49
Good news! **sarcasm** Tolkien's children just filed a law suit against New Line!

Article: http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/4531352.Tolkien_trustees_start_lawsuit_over_lack_of_film_cash/?ref=rss

Strange that they should open the case now, after nearly 6 years since RoTK's release. But still, if the Tolkien Family is right in this action, I support them throughout ... Hobbit film or not.

[Edited on 7/8/2009 by Ilandir]
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on: August 07, 2009 08:09
First you have this:

But Miss Tolkien and the other trustees yesterday insisted they were not trying to jeopardise the film.


and then you have this:

“Should this case go all the way through trial, we are confident that New Line will lose its right to release The Hobbit.”


Though in fairness they are entitled to get the money they're asking, and New Line never stops to amaze me with the number of people they tried to cheat after the movies, if this indeed cancels the Hobbit I won't have any love for Tolkien's family. Giving up on those 8m$ would be a damn small price to pay for all the joy 2 Hobbit movies would bring to the fans. Especially since we all know that Tolkien's are exactly missing money to buy their daily bread and milk.

Of course the same could be said about New Line so let's hope there will be a reasonable individual in this whole mess that will be able to clean it as soon as possible.
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on: August 07, 2009 08:20
Hehe! You're right Aegor ...

Let's see how this turns out ... I'm sure the Tolkien Family has cashed in thousands, if not millions, from newly made fans who bought the books AFTER watching the films ... (I'm one of them for example )
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on: August 07, 2009 08:29
geez... can't they just be happy and move on? seems like if it aint one thing it's another... *sigh*

well, i, for one part, hope this does not hinder The Hobbit. I already know I will watch the Hobbit, and support it. they have my funds. lol
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on: August 07, 2009 08:33
When you think about this more, New Line losing the Hobbit wouldn't be the end of the world. I'm sure there are many movie studios out there that are itching for it to happen so they can buy the movie rights and publish the movie as their own. A sequel to something that's made 6b$, who'd be crazy enough to miss an opportunity like that?
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on: August 07, 2009 08:39
Everyone must think about how New Line is so fortunate in having invested money to fund LoTR ... but I guess all these cases are really paying off! I think they're thanking themselves that they have some profit from other films, otherwise they would end bankrupt - cos I'm sure court cases and lawyers all cost money.
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on: August 07, 2009 08:43
ya, there would be definetly someone else who would come along and pick up the Hobbit. Anyone smart enough in the movie industry would realize that a movie like that would do very well.

Besides, i thought New Line got bought out? did that not happen?
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on: August 07, 2009 08:47
Yes you're right Erucenindë. I'm not exactly sure what happened too. I thought New Line had dissolved and become part of Warner Bros. (is that correct?).

I'm sure other studios would be interested in buying the rights as they would know the profit they make. Although, as with many follow-ups to successful films, they never make as much money as the first ones ... even though the films would be as good or better than there predecessors.

[Edited on 7/8/2009 by Ilandir]
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on: August 07, 2009 09:00
Yes Warner Bros. took in New Line Cinema, I think they may be referring to the people who had ran it before that happened. That’s who they’re sueing. (the head Bob Shay?)

I'm sure other studios would be interested in buying the rights as they would know the profit they make. Although, as with many follow-ups to successful films, they never make as much money as the first ones ... even though the films would be as good or better than there predecessors.


I wouldn’t have a problem with another studio making the film (as long as PJ's directing) but I thought that Christopher Tolkien said he wanted the option of terminating all further rights? Meaning no more movies, plays, games, etc… If they have been significantly cheated by New Line then by all means sue, but going by what I heard they would really be shooting themselves in the foot if they didn’t allow the Hobbit to be made at all. They want to sue for the money they lost? Why don’t they think about the money, fans, and credibility they’ll gain by letting the Hobbit be made?


[Edited on 7/8/2009 by starofdunedain]
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on: August 07, 2009 09:05
You have a very interesting point there, star.

They would most likely make lots of money from The Hobbit profits. Terminating all further rights seems a little extreme for me.

Ya ok, i thought New Line had been bought out.
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on: August 07, 2009 09:06
Good point starofdunedain. I think that the Tolkien Family, not only are seeing money, but terminating the right to film the Hobbit, would mean, keeping the integrity of the story and not 'ruin' it through the audio/visual medium, thus letting the readers experience and imagine the story in their own manner and not be influenced by the films. I guess that's how they're thinking - having 'lost' the battle with LoTR, they might want to keep the Hobbit (and, probably, The Silmarillion) as they stand - just as stories.

But after all, I guess it's mainly about money ... sadly ...

[Edited on 7/8/2009 by Ilandir]
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on: August 07, 2009 01:30
Well our biggest fear would probably have to be if they split the film in two parts and leave us waiting in Rivendel for a whole year. I always liked the idea of a bridge movie as I don't believe there's enough story in the Hobbit for 6h of film. If they force stretch the Hobbit just so they can make more money... better to leave that thought unfinished
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on: August 08, 2009 12:34
I thought that Christopher Tolkien said he wanted the option of terminating all further rights? Meaning no more movies, plays, games, etc...
Whaaaaat? So he goes from simply trying to get the film profits that he's entitled to (or believes he's entitled to), to this? Doesn't he realize that by terminating rights to Tolkien's work, he's robbing the fans of their hopes? I mean, I don't think there's anyone here who would want The Hobbit to remain unfilmed (possibly forever), now that it's been dangled in front of our noses for so long. Really, CT isn't exactly buying himself a good reputation, is he...
If they force stretch the Hobbit just so they can make more money... better to leave that thought unfinished
100% in agreement with you there, Aegor. To be honest, as I'm pretty sure I've said before, The Hobbit would be much better off as just one movie. There's easily enough of it to fit into three hours - after all, they managed it with FOTR, and the book of that is at least twice the size of The Hobbit.
I hope the film doesn't "copy" the cartoon version, though - judging by the similarities between scenes from the LOTR films and Bakshi's cartoon, PJ definitely saw the Bakshi film, so it's probably fairly likely he saw the Rankin-Bass Hobbit, too, and while I quite enjoyed that film, there were some bad decisions made. For example, they cut out Beorn ( ), they changed the way in which Thorin obtained the map and key, and of course, there's the Elf Thing (Elrond bearded and with a funny star-halo, the wood-elves wrinkly, greenish and distinctly Gollum-esque)... oh, and they made Bilbo seem rather stupid. (He didn't know what runes were. Really.)
The only possible cut-off points for the first Hobbit film that I can see, are either the arrival at Beorn's house or the entry into Mirkwood. But again, why split it at all?
So that's my two cents... *clink clink*
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on: August 08, 2009 01:26
Perhaps Christopher thinks that wonderful works such as Children of Hurin and The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrun are more than enough to satisfy all fans. After all, why would be need new 6h of movies, 6h of movie making documentaries, all the movie related books written by conceptual artists and weta crew, Battle for Middle Earth 3 (or some completely new game) etc. when I'm sure that in the following decades a Tolkien relative will continue to surprise us with completely new books that Tolkien "wrote" but was just lost under the mattress for over half a century or more
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on: August 08, 2009 01:41
The only possible cut-off points for the first Hobbit film that I can see, are either the arrival at Beorn's house or the entry into Mirkwood. But again, why split it at all?
So that's my two cents... *clink clink*

I think PJ mentioned wanting to take material from the history of the hobbit and show when Gandalf to the White Council and the fall of Dol Guldur and the outcasting of Sauron there, to explain the whole story of Middle-earth a little more.
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on: August 09, 2009 03:39
On the one hand, I would have preferred if they filmed 'The Hobbit' story in one film, but at the same time, what about the second film? There's nothing concrete to follow for a bridge film and probably they would have ended up inserting things which aren't part of the story.

On the other hand, having 'The Hobbit' split into two, allows the filmmakers to develop the story much more easily - and not condense and eliminate scenes from the book. So I don't think they would be stretching the story, since they're also going to be focusing on Gandalf's quest against the Necromancer.
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on: August 09, 2009 08:51
I'm hearing whispers of Rhys Ifans for Thranduil.
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on: August 20, 2009 10:03
That's odd, Rhys Ifans... He doesn't look very Elvish to me. Then again, I thought the same thing about Hugo Weaving as Elrond.

Anything on Legolas appearing in The Hobbit?

[Edited on 20/8/2009 by Rhinesilver]
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on: September 08, 2009 10:25
Hear ye! Hear ye!

Settlement reached between New Line and Tolkien Estate

About darn time...
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on: September 08, 2009 11:16
hoorah! no more big arguments perhaps?

this is good news.
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on: September 08, 2009 12:49
Agreed, it is about time
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on: September 08, 2009 02:01
Alright! Full speed ahead for movie making! :disco:
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on: September 22, 2009 11:56
I'm hearing whispers of Rhys Ifans for Thranduil.

I like that. I hope there's something to it.
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on: September 27, 2009 06:31
I'd would to see Alan Rickman in the movie.
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on: September 30, 2009 08:56
I'd would to see Alan Rickman in the movie.


Oh my Goddess, that would be awesome.
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on: October 17, 2009 12:37
I'm a new member on the site, so hi everyone! I'm really excited about the new movie too, its been a while since I've had a Lord of the Rings movie to look forward too, it's a unique excitement! Isn't Ron Perlman -the guy who played Hell Boy- supposed to be in it?
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on: October 21, 2009 06:09
Does anyone here know for sure if there is going to be a Hobbit movie soon? If so, will Peter Jackson direct it? Who will be in it? I've heard rumors that there will be one and that there won't be one, so i'm really not sure at all. I hope so though
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