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Galethiel
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on: April 29, 2008 05:06
Gee-yer-mo it is then. I hope he'll do a good job of the dwarves, and Smaug. And of course Bilbo. It'll be really interesting to see Rivendell again, because in the Hobbit the elves are more... playful - if that's an adjective you can use with elves.
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on: April 29, 2008 10:39
Okay, I have to say I'm pretty happy about Del Toro doing The Hobbit -- I think he'll do a fairly decent job at it, and he seems excited to be doing it. And with PJ producing it, I imagine it won't get far off track from the previous movies.

The thing that worries me is this "bridge" movie. The list of events pulled from the text (posted earlier) is quite frankly...skimpy, and not enough to build an entire two hour movie around. And take Del Toro's answer in the MTV interview in which he's directly asked how much of the second movie is going to actually be based on Tolkien's writings:

We're going to start with "The Hobbit," in the writing process. We'll see if we can fully contain it in one movie, which I think is perfectly possible. We'll take it from there. We just outlined what we want out of [the second film]. We outlined what we expect to tell. It's just plans and ideas right now.


You'll note that he doesn't actually answer the question about it being based on Tolkien's writings. I'm greatly afeared that we're going to get PJ's and Philippa Boyens' fanfic version of what they imagine happened during that time period, and it won't be "Tolkien" at all. I'm not a hardcore purist, but I do object to the idea of them making up an entire story out of whole cloth, just to squeeze another movie out of the franchise. It seems...greedy, and completely unnecessary (especially when there are other Tolkien works that could be made into movies). It's like they think that just because we're Tolkien fans, we'll take whatever faked up slop they mash together from bits and pieces in the appendixes, and love it, because hey, it's sort of based on Tolkien, right?

I sincerely hope that's not what they're thinking and where they're coming from. I really hope not...but that's what I'm feeling right now, based on what I've read and heard so far. Sorry if I sound so negative, but I personally do not view this second movie as a good thing at all. It's good for the site, maybe, and good in the sense that it will give us another movie to watch when all is said and done...but is it good Tolkien?
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on: April 29, 2008 11:00
I'm not sure why everyone is so against this second movie, I am really looking forward to it... maybe even more than I am to the Hobbit movie. It will really be interesting to have a connection between the Hobbit and LotR and even if it's not 100% Tolkien's writing I'm sure the writing will be able to come up with interesting things. I can even see here some room for us fans to influence the film-making process, with idea of our own and opinions of how the things developed.

If you look at it that way neither Silmarillion nor Children of Hurin were 100% Tolkien and yet everyone loved them. Think of the second movie as "edited by PJ" instead of "edited by Christopher Tolkien"
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on: April 29, 2008 01:52
There is so much that happens between the books, that there should be no problem using Tolkien's themes in the 2nd movie, but he only outlined much of what went on, so it will have to be fleshed out.
-Aragorn meeting Arwen, going to Rohan and Gondor in disguise, and the attack on Umbar.( Denethor'r reaction to aragorn could be tied into some of this)
-The attempt by Balin to resettle Moria,
-The hunt for the Ring has been pretty well described in UT and I'd like to see some of that make the film
-The White Council, and Saruman's attempt to delay any action.
and so on
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on: April 29, 2008 02:59
And let us not forget what was going on with Dol Guldur which turned the greenwood forest into Mirkwood...

I'm inclined to agree with PB that there are enough bits and snippets in UT and the appendices to create a very inclusive film that includes the time line that connects the world of the Hobbit with the time of the war of the ring.

Now all we need to know is how well PJ/Fran/Phillipa/Geeyermo (close enough) know the world of Tolkien.

I can even see here some room for us fans to influence the film-making process, with idea of our own and opinions of how the things developed.


That thought intrigues me. I wonder if there is any way we, the fans, can contact those developing the script to make certain that they include those Tolkien-related events in their development. Would they listen to the devoted fans of Tolkien, who collectively probably know Tolkien's writings as well as he knew his own? *smiles*
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on: April 29, 2008 09:47
I think there's a good chance for that Bereth since Guillermo does seem like a person who is ready to listen to the fans, he registered to TheOneRing.net's forum and he said that he'll post there whenever he has the time. I think we will be able to give him some suggestions. (oh we should try to get him to register here as well ).

And let's not forget that the Arwen fighting at Helm's Deep scenes were removed because of the fans disagreed
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on: April 30, 2008 04:05
Good Gracious Me! We could help with the Appendix movie? Forget helping, I'm sure there are enough writers here on CoE that we could write the entire script! LOL and it's sure to be very Tolkien-based and accurate!

All joking aside, I am with Rivka on this one. I am worried about the fate of Tolkien's works if Del Toro slaughters the appendices. We all know how PJ manipulated the storyline in several places (Haldir at Helm's Deep, and Frodo at Osgiliath, for example) and, although it did make the storyline interesting from a theatrical standpoint, IMHO it defeated what Tolkien was intending for those parts of the story, namely, Eomer's reinstating, and Faramir's courage.

If and when they do make the Appendix movie, I truly hope they stay with Tolkien's themes and story lines, otherwise there may be a whole slew of fans who are ignorant of some of the greater parts of Tolkien's works.

Good point about the Arwen thing, Aegor- they also did the same with Eowyn in the Glittering Caves...
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on: May 01, 2008 01:39
I felt that PJ added the Elves at Helm's deep to show that the Elves were involved in the War of the Ring. In the Books they had there own battles but explaining that may have complicated things for the average moviegoer.
I'm feeling confident that del Toro will do great job with the 2nd movie.
Galethiel
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on: May 01, 2008 06:11
Yay! *punches air triumphantly* Ian McKellan (sp? but you all know who I mean) is set to play Gandalf! :hug: That's so great!

How could we ensure that Del Toro does a good job with the Appendix movie?... hm.... well I'm sure he's read the books as thoroughly as PJ. And PJ will be there to keep him on the right track but...... they could do with some fans being there to steer clear of any more Arwen-at-Helm's-deep-fiascos.

Do you think by the end of it all the fans will be calling Del Toro DT, like Peter Jackson became PJ?
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on: May 01, 2008 07:16
There are some things we should think about before forming an opinion of the "bridge" movie.
The first is that, according to what I've read, Tolkien intended his work to be a starting off point. A sort of mythological framework to which other writers and artists could contribute over time.
It's a heartening thought that by fleshing out this little described portion of Middle Earth history, PJ and Del Torro are actually carrying out the professor's wishes.
The second issue is a bit more troublesome, however.
That's in the area of movie rights. While Saul Zaentz (sp?) bought the movie rights to the Hobbit (I think) and the Lord of the Rings (for sure) around 40 years ago, I don't think he has the rights to HoME or other works. That could throw a legal kink in making the second Hobbit movie, which will likely rely on these other books. That might be what part of the fuss is over in the Tolkien family lawsuit right now.
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on: May 13, 2008 09:44
Del Toro is very much the fans director. He's a member of theonering.net, and gave them an exclusive interview last week, sharing his thoughts on Smaug:
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2008/05/10/28822-the-dragon-solution-gdt-shares-his-thoughts/#more-28822

He seems like a very enthusiastic director.
“Smaug should not be “the Dragon in the Hobbit movie” as if it was just “another” creature in a Bestiary. Smaug should be “The DRAGON” for all movies past and present."
Sounds good to me. It sounds like he's put some thought into it, too... he says he could even give a blow-by-blow of how Smaug would be introduced to screen, but won't spoiler us that much.
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on: May 14, 2008 05:53
Just finished The Hobbit. I cannot wait for this movie
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on: May 27, 2008 06:34
I was a little concerned before the Weta chat about what would happen with the hobbit and film2 movies, and was greatly relieved by what PJ and GdT had to say.
I did watch Pans Labyrinth and was really impressed by the atmospheric quality. As Giullermo said he loves The Hobbit. I think this is one of the most reassuring things to hear. I feel a lot happier after the chat that the movies will be something to look forward to and not to fear. They are putting together a magnificent team, its hard not to drool. All the people I loved from LoTR, from RTaylor and TRodgers to Lee and Howe, Fran Walsh and Phillippa ........so I am running on.
Yes the enthusiasm is beginning to bite.....Go guys! I for one cant wait.
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on: May 27, 2008 10:52
I just found out the Christopher Tolkien is going to court to stop any filming of 'The Hobbit '. JRRT, back in 1969 sold the rights for a 7.5% share of profits , and Tolkien's lawyers claim the NewLIne is using accounting chicanery to avoid paying the proper amount.
I should not that Peter Jackson, Saul Zaentz and a group of New Zealand actors have all sued NewlLine over royalties and that most of these cases have already been settled.
I've submittted the article as news and it should be posted on the main page in the next day or so.

If It isn't, I'll post a link in this thread
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on: May 27, 2008 10:57
Hey, another lawsuit.
Surprise, surprise.....
Not that I blame CT or am shocked in any way. Kinda sounds like New Line has found a way to bilk everybody.

[Edited on 5/29/2008 by Aowyn]
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on: May 27, 2008 11:04
Oh, you're kidding... New Line better get their act together quick or there will be a bunch of rabid fans attacking them... :evil:
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on: May 27, 2008 11:24
What? Oh no, not again... *sigh* we're never going to get this damn movie
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on: May 28, 2008 02:15
New Line are a royal pain in the butt!!!
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on: May 28, 2008 02:18
Not fair :sob:. One minute us fans think there's going to be a movie, and we're all thrilled about it... next minute something like this happens. :sob: :cry:
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on: May 29, 2008 12:14
Christopher Tolkien is probably correct in saying that NewLine didn't pay enough.
NewLine seems to like using some creative accounting methods, seemingly to hide profits and pay everyone ess than their share of revenues.
My guess is that NewLine will end up settling with the Tolkien Estate and the Hobbit Movies will still be filmed.
There's way too much potential profit at stake for them to continue to hide the profits and not pay the Tolkiien estate their share of them.

[Edited on 29/5/2008 by PotbellyHairyfoot]
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on: May 29, 2008 12:36
Yeah that's probably true Potbelly but there is also a possibility that C.Tolkien doesn't want the movies to be filmed. He was against filming LotR in the first place. I mean, he's 84 years old, I can't imagine why he would choose to spent what little time he has sitting in a court room. I also can't imagine why he would ask to stop filming of the Hobbit movies, other then for some selfish reasons. There are millions of fans in the world who can't wait for those films to be made, maybe he should also consider their feelings. It's not like he needs money... and even if he is going for money or justice or whatever that doesn't give him a reason to ask for the filming to be stopped
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on: July 01, 2008 11:08
I normally don't post links to other sites but for those of you who are interested here is an interesting article written by Voronwe the Faithful over at TORN about the lawsuit. It had some things I didn't know in it, and over all it was very reassuring. I'm with PbHf in that I don't believe the Tolkien estate is trying to be malicious, they are just trying to get their due as PJ was.
Anyway I don't think my earlier attempts at making a nice link are working, but here is the link:
HERE

*mod note ~ I cleaned up the link for you.

[Edited on 1/7/2008 by LinweSingollo]

Thanks Linwe!!

[Edited on 12/6/2008 by Aowyn]
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on: July 07, 2008 01:49
I thought that there was an almost unlimited amount of information available for the second movie but I recently read that the movie rights only cover the Hobbit and LOTR. The Unfinished Tales and The Silmarillion were published long after JRRT sold movie rights and they aren't included. This means that the only legal source of information for movie #2 is the appendices of LOTR.
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on: August 04, 2008 09:13
When the trilogy films were ready, did you folks meet up at the premiere? I was thinking, if we from CoE would meet and line up and watch the Hobbit together. Wouldn't that be fun! It is a long time left, but you maybe could think about it?
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on: August 13, 2008 01:05
I'm not sure about that, since I live in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Anyways, I can't wait to see the Battle of Five Armies.
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on: August 14, 2008 07:16
^^Good idea, but people from CoE are kind of dotted around the world. Maybe it would work for the big cities though.

Still can't wait for the film to be made! :love:
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on: August 15, 2008 01:36
OrangeBlossom, you might try posting in the Many Meetings Forum to see how many folks live around your area...would be a good way to lay the groundwork to meet up for the Hobbit.
A bunch of CoE'ers met up to see RoTK in the LA area when it came out. I had planned to go, but Hurricane Isabelle had other plans for my $$$
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on: August 19, 2008 03:23
i haven't been checking up on it lately so could someone update me on what all's going on with The Hobbit? is PJ filming? anyone from the LOTR going to be in it? and whats going on with all this "movies" stuff i've been hearing?are they doing more than one O.o
as much info as possible please because the last i heard people were sighning petitions and stuff to try and get PJ as director again, and i think that was a year or two ago lol

Thanks yall
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on: August 19, 2008 04:52
Well, for starters, you could try reading the last few pages of this thread or check the News Index on the Main Page.

okaaay...For those of you who have been on a desert island in the last year, a few basic facts to update you on The Hobbit:

Director = Guillermo del Toro
Executive Producer and Co-writer = Peter Jackson
Scheduled for release in 2011 and 2012.
Yes, that means two films which will be filmed in New Zealand. One for the Hobbit story and another to bridge the gap between The Hobbit and LotR, possibly using the Appendices for material. Weta will also be on board.
So far, Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis will reprise their roles.

Anyone who want to add more to this, please feel free.

[Edited on 20/8/2008 by LinweSingollo]
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on: August 20, 2008 07:59
ahhhhh DDDDX no PJ directing DDDX *sigh* at least he's co-writer any one know who else is writing it with him? and thanks LinweSingollo!
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on: August 20, 2008 08:49
News out that PJ will be co-writing with Fran Walsh and Phillipa Boyens (who wrote LotR movie script) with Guillermo del Toro. So that's good news!

2011 and 2012 Christmas are the dates for now (which is the same time when they released the LotR movies, end of December-ish). So when the first movie comes out, it will be a decade after FotR hit our screens .

Nothing more to add, besides the fact that del Toro seems like a fantastic choice, very in tune with the fans, excited, visionary... the signs look good, at least for now .
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on: August 23, 2008 08:15
Ugh, I am so clad PJ & co. will be helping out Del Toro with the Hobbit. I'm still a little wary about how this film is going to turn out. It'll probably going to be another two years before we see any trailers, so I will hold off judgment until then.
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on: October 07, 2008 01:57
I hope the Elves look like PJ's and not like the elves in Hellboy II. Just didn't like them.
Also very anxious about how Smaug is going to look.
I hope we get some new news soon!
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on: November 13, 2008 05:29
Since GDT has said several times that he likes the Dragonslayer creature (the dragon known as Vermithrax pejorative), I thought all my COE folks might be interested in reading an interview with the creators of that dragon.
Here's the link:

http://www.petermacnicolonline.com/vermithrax.html
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on: December 06, 2008 08:54
I'm glad you posted this. It will make my husband very happy as he has mentioned that dragon to me many, many times.

We need some news on the Hobbit. I'm dying here!!
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