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frodofan14
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on: December 22, 2007 04:23

The only other cameo I can think of at the moment is Elrond.


hem hem gollum?
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on: December 22, 2007 06:46
If you ask me, I bet PJ will participate in making The Hobbit, as of right now he may be busy, but probably not in 2009. and i dont think incorporating the other LotR characters would be a good idea, because even though it is related to LotR, i think they should at least stick close to the book and not "clamour" it up so much. but thats just my opinion. but as long as it stands up to the LotR movies, I dont care WHO directs it, the fact is, The Hobbit is going to be made! whats better than that?(besides PJ Directing the movie himself, which i doubt will happen, but a guy can dream cant he? lol)
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on: December 23, 2007 01:36

The only other cameo I can think of at the moment is Elrond.


hem hem gollum?

Okay, yeah, you got me there ....I think I read something saying he's contractually obligated to at least one project that he hasn't started yet...correct me if I'm not remembering right, though! "The Lovely Bones" I think.
That's an awfully long way to fly people for cameos, but I guess they could work them in. Hey, maybe Legolas can be one the drunken elves that allows them to get away in the barrels
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on: December 23, 2007 03:59
haha!!!!! leolgas drunk!!! thats hard to imagone, after his drinking game with gimli...
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on: December 24, 2007 07:35
Yes, the Hobbit elves are definitely written differently than the LOTR elves...although I guess it's more technically true that the wine put them to sleep....
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on: December 24, 2007 09:35
Wow, Aowyn, that was cool! lol! Drunken Legolas, I laught like a mad when I only imagined this! But in fact I wish they'll make the film as close to the book as it's possible, maybe more detailed than lotr, I mean I wish they'll not throw away some scenes like it was in lotr.
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on: December 27, 2007 05:47
I don't think it would be that hard to blend all the old LotR stars in the movie. Legolas can be in Mirkwood next to his father, Aragorn can be in Rivendell with Elrond, Gimli could come and fight with the dwarven army (although I doubt John Rhys-Davies will agree to be a dwarf again ).


The only cameo I see fit for Aragorn is as a ten year-old (he was ten in the book.) Arwen and Galadriel could be there too (if they decide to film a White Council scene, Galadriel could be present and so could Saruman.)
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on: December 28, 2007 04:54
Do you mean put LOTR characters in there? I suppose if they stick to the story they really don't need to worry about that so much. If Ian McKellen's up to it, I could see him coming back as Gandalf. I think they'll need a younger actor to play Bilbo..Ian Holm might be a little long in the tooth now, they really put a lot of make-up on him for that cave scene in FoTR.
The only other cameo I can think of at the moment is Elrond.
I think I would hate it if they start thinking of ways to pull other characters (the ones that would have been born by then!), in, it would be irritating. Legolas, Aragorn, etc., don't really have any place in this story.
Edited to note: I guess the above only holds true if they stick to covering the book. If they do some sort of "spanner" movie, then I guess all bets are off (????)

[Edited on 12/22/2007 by Aowyn]

Even for the Hobbit movie (the first one, the whole book), I think we could see a number of LotR actors. Look at how they changed LotR. Arwen wasn't even really in the books beyond mentioning (with exception to the appendices). Not to mention how they changed Frodo's age. Even with all the changes they made, I love the films. IMO they are the best book to movie adaptations yet.

About how there are really no women in the Hobbit, I think they will change that as well. Since that was a big part of why they added Arwen into the LotR movies. People love to see a little bit of romance, and if they don't go that far they might just make other women characters more prominent.

So I guess we won't know for a while what to expect. I am just very relieved to hear that PJ (and I assume Fran) is writing and at least producing it.

Just as somebody else mentioned before, the anticipation is half (if not more of) the fun! I felt extremely sad after the Oscars and the EE of RotK was out. That part of the journey was over, and I mourned for the excitement of another new release from the combined talents of Tolkien and PJ. Now I can spend my spare time obsessing about the Hobbit films for a few more years!
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on: December 29, 2007 07:02
From what I understand, PJ and Fran are not writing, only producing. I think they probably don't have a writer yet.

I confess that I'm a little concerned about what the second movie will be about.
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on: December 29, 2007 09:12
I guess I am having high hopes that they would be writing it as well. My reasoning is because of part of this quote from Entertainment Weekly:
"....waiting for Peter, Fran, and Phillippa to write, direct and produce The Hobbit would require the fans wait even longer."

I guess since I have (so far as I know) only heard of PJ saying he will not direct the film, I assumed (or wished) the trio would write it as well.

I am not too worried about the second movie. There are so many extras they can get a story line from. I am not a purist. I love the movies for what they are, and wouldn't mind seeing what they can come up with. But it really depends on who writes and directs as well. It could be trash.
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on: December 30, 2007 05:57
Well http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ie2960ff97697ea6271399e8be7399978 says that

"Because of his packed schedule that includes "The Lovely Bones" and "Tintin," Jackson is not directing or writing the movies, but will executive produce with partner Fran Walsh. New Line will manage production."
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on: December 30, 2007 01:31

But I'm quite furious with PJ at the moment, he's saying that he doesn't have the time. Well for something as holy as the Hobbit how can you not make the time?! All those thousands of fans who signed petitions, sent angry letters to New Line and supported him, who made reservations for a trip to New Zealand as soon as they heard a movie was going to be filmed, they found the time. I really have a feeling that he just doesn't want to film this movie.


I don't really agree. He has to be 100% into each project that he does, whether its "Lovely Bones" or "Tintin" or "Lord of the Rings". He can't simply abandon his other projects, and only put half his energy into them because The Hobbit has suddenly worked out. In the same way that we are frustrated, Tintin fans would be angry if he suddenly decided to leave that for The Hobbit. I'm sure he'd love to direct it, but he has enough integrity to not just abandon other projects to do the Hobbit, just because it's what the majority of the public want him to do.
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on: December 30, 2007 05:00
I don't know very much about these things, but according to my boyfriend who is really into film and tv and all of that kind of stuff, he says that New Line and Peter Jackson had some conflict, and that although they say its resolved that New Line hates Peter jackson. And that they want him to produce The Hobbit because they think it will benefit them, because people want him to be involved, but that they don't want to give him any more involvement. And that that's the real reason PJ isn't directing and isn't going to wait to direct.

I can't prove it, but it seems reasonable to me because otherwise i think peter jackson would want to make time to direct The Hobbit.
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on: January 16, 2008 12:00
What about Geoff Murphy? the No 2 on LotR ??
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on: January 16, 2008 02:03
I have a question to put out there: do you guys reckon Ian Holm's or not? I always thought that he should, but after reading opinions on other sites, the general consensus seems to be that he is simply to old for the job, unfortunately. So basically, do you think that he is indeed to old for the role and another younger actor should be used in his place, or that he should play the role anyway, with the make-up people doing the best they can? After all, make-up can only take you so far, and Ian would now be even older than when he filmed the short scene in FotR, where he finds the ring in Gollum's cave.

Personally that scene makes it hard for me to imagine anyone else playing Bilbo, since I would have loved to have seen that scene placed into the this Hobbit movie, for some sort of continuity, if you follow me. Although, granted, he probably is a bit too old for the role.
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on: January 16, 2008 10:24
I think nobody but Ian can play Bilbo, which is why it must be filmed soon. The make-up people and the CG people will be able to do much. All the action sequences will need to be done by body-doubles of course, but there's no shortage (joke not intended!) of those.

As to age, in the books Bilbo was middle-aged when he set out on his adventure, and remained "unchanged" from the time he found the ring until he gave it up. Hence there was actually no need for them to make Ian Holm younger for the "finding" scene.

It's worth mentioning here that Frodo was also middle-aged when he set out, but having lived in close proximity to the ring since his late teens, he also had remained unchanged.
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on: January 17, 2008 01:36
Ian would be the ideal choice and it's true that make-up and CG could made his late years, but I'm not sure he'll have the stamina to make it through the physical aspect of the shooting. We'll probably have to accept a new Bilbo for the Hobbit...

Although I am betting that they'll do a little flashback or a "trip to the future" with Ian. They could start the movie with (old) Bilbo telling about his adventure to a group of young Hobbits, you know how popular these things are with filmmakers
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on: January 28, 2008 12:02
I can't wait for this film to come out. I hope it will have all the same actors in it too. i will definately go and see it.

I think it's brilliant that we will have another film out of the hobbit soon.
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on: January 28, 2008 03:24
Just read the MTV article and the news is looking great. I can't think of anyone other than PJ himself who could do as good a job as Guillermo Del Toro. Has anyone here seen Pan's Labyrinth....says it all.
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on: January 29, 2008 01:57
http://www.cinecon.com/news/1249/guillermo-del-toro-to-direct-the-hobbit-and-sequel/

Just saw this on the morning news!!! All del Toro fans should be happy! I of course still want PJ to direct but The Hobbit is exciting.
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on: January 29, 2008 07:19
[url][/url]http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2008/01/29/28329-introducing-the-director-of-the-hobbit/
99% sure Guillermo will direct.
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on: January 30, 2008 01:16
I apologize about the link I provided. It's no good at all. But I know for sure that PJ still picked GdT.
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on: January 30, 2008 02:25
I have just had a confirmation email that Del Toro will be directing The Hobbit

The following YouTube video confirms that Guillermo Del Toro will be directing ‘The Hobbit’ films. We hope to have additional confirmation within the next few hours - stay tuned!

The important part starts around :40

Female Translator: Today it is our pleasure to announce something that everyone was hoping for, Guillermo will direct ‘The Hobbit’

(Clapping)

Female Translator: And he will give a small role to (the Spanish translator)

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2008/01/29/28329-introducing-the-director-of
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So Hellboy meets The Hobbit!!!!
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on: January 30, 2008 04:02
Well, I guess I can live with GdT as the director -- it could be a LOT worse!

My main concern is that he keep the Shire and Rivendell looking roughly as it appeared in LotR. If we get a Middle-Earth that looks vastly different (and darker) in appearance than what we're used to, I'm going to be very disappointed. I know that directors are supposed to be have their own vision -- but he's playing in PJ's (and Tolkien's!) playground now, and he's got a lot of fans of the earlier films to keep happy.

It'll be interesting -- GdT will have two sets of masters to please now. The book purists, and the movie purists
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on: January 31, 2008 01:24
I agree with you on that Rivka but I have to assume that Mr Del Toro is not writing the screenplay and can only hope that Fran and Phillipa will be doing that.

It is not a Director's job to write the screenplay so fingers crossed that Peter, Fran and Phillipa will still get their fingers in the pie by writing everything as they did before. At least this would offer some continuity as it were following on from LOTR.

So let us wait and see what happens!
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on: January 31, 2008 12:01

I keep saying I'm going to get around to seeing "Pan's Labyrinth" and I haven't yet, so now I guess I really should

Hopefully since there's such a massive fan base built up he'll see the reasoning behind continuity
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on: February 01, 2008 05:53
This is probably the most exciting thing that has happened to us Ringers since RotKs clean sweep of the Oscars in 2004. At last, we have something to look forward to, a way to keep our LotR nerdom afloat. Whether you're happy about the choice of director or not, the fact still remains that for the first time in years, we have something new coming to us from Middle-Earth, and that is good news indeed.

Well this project is moving forward with greater gusto now, so that's exciting. I, probably like a lot of people, wasn't opened to the LotR world until after the movies came out, so I was never around for the journey of making the movie, getting snippets of information as to how filming was going, seeing images from the set to whet your appetite. All of that pre-film excitment was never there for me, as it wasn't for a lot pf people that got reformed to LotR afterwards. So this film, just the journey of following this film from the news we've just received of Guillermo del Toro (...we should all learn how to spell his name off by heart, he's going to become very important to us ), is going to be something new for me and a lot of other people, and that is very, very cool .

Hee. Del Toro looks a bit like a Hobbity/Beorny/Manly thing. Sorta. If you squint real hard.

GdT will have two sets of masters to please now. The book purists, and the movie purists


Yep. He's got a big job on his hands. Although, as Aowyn so rightly put it, with such a large fan base, he should try to find some sense of continuity. And the Lonely Mountain and stuff will give him his chance of creating his own vision of what exactly these places should look like. But for the Shire and all, please try and stick to what been done . He's obviously going to want to rope in each and every person that saw the LotR movies that come and see this one, so he wouldn't want people to be annoyed at any changes he made. Hopefully he sees that Peter's vision of the Shire was perfect .

And finally, can I just say again, give this guy the chance he deserves. People were worried when PJ was announced as the LotR director too, you know.
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on: February 02, 2008 11:48
I hope he dose a good job.
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on: February 06, 2008 09:42
All news about the Hobbit coming to screen are good. That means that at least something's happening.

At this point I have to say that I was too lazy to read the whole thread so I don't know if this has been discussed already or not, so humor me. I cannot wait who's gonna play Thranduil. He is one of my favorite characters. He comes out as a tragic figure. Well I cannot help but like him. I think that Paul Bettany could be an option, but who knows.
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on: February 07, 2008 10:08
I want to know who will play the other dwarves.
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on: February 08, 2008 09:23
I think the new news about Howard Shore is awesome. I still play my LoTR soundtracks on a very regular basis!
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on: February 11, 2008 01:05
Uugh!

Check out this link.

This could halt plans for making The Hobbit. Great.
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on: February 12, 2008 12:48
Ugh Ick Ig Blergh.

How horrible. I hope this is a smaller matter than it seems and it just blows over. Fingers crossed.

New Line should start paying people their money. Just a tip for the future.

[Edited on 13/2/2008 by ABagginsOfTheShire]
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on: February 12, 2008 03:54
Lol, New Line is amazing, first with Peter and now this. Looks like they never learned to share

It will probably be great if the whole project gets postponed, at least Peter Jackson will lose his alibi about being too busy with other movies so we might see him in director's chair after all.
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on: February 14, 2008 10:43
oh my gosh! That Tolkien charity just loves to sue. :nono:
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