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Aowyn
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on: February 16, 2008 08:25
I guess I just assumed that Tolkien had sold the filming rights to the Hobbit to Zaentz at the same time as the LOTR book, and that the same filming-rights applied. I'm guessing from this new development that it is not correct. Or the Tolkien Estate is trying to find a loophole to cash in (????)

I was just over reading that blog called the Frodo Franchise, where the author of the book of that name gave a fairly detailed (as much as possible) report on the lawsuit as of right now. There seems to be a lot of legalise, and I don't claim to understand everything I read, but I think it seems to boil down to:
A) Tolkein gave up the rights and the estate doesn't have a leg to stand on, or
B)New Line is a bunch of jerks who don't want to share their many, many pennies
depending on how the suit goes. It looks like the original agreement over film rights may be fairly murky and hard to interpret. At least that's what I came away with.

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on: February 23, 2008 09:14
I'm going to be hugely unpopular because of this, but I'm actually glad Tolkien Est. is suing. Judging from the fact that this is not the first complaint that New Line is withholding previously agreed upon funds (see Jackson's lawsuit), it does appear that New Line is just trying to lay claim to as much of the earnings as possible. I don't claim to know the truth, but that's just the way it seems to me.

Either way, I would rather The Hobbit not be filmed at all than be butchered in half. Filming it in two parts, one of which is mostly a few paragraphs from the appendices extrapolated into two hours of epic fight scenes, is not going to recapture the 'magic' of the movie trilogy. I mean, the Lord of the Rings is a fairly epic work, and yet the movies had to up the action anyway. The Hobbit is hardly epic at all, and it would spoil it to try to make it so. There was one major battle and Bilbo, the eyes and ears of the audience, was passed out for the most of it. What I'm saying is, the LotR movies were incredible, as far as movies go, but the reason that Tolkien purists such as myself enjoyed it was that they were close enough to the books to be bearable. I, for one, won't go see The Hobbit - the action movie, no matter how good of a film it might be. It just hits too close to home.

Then again, who knows? They might not try to make an action movie of it at all. With the two part thing, however, it's a fool's hope.
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on: February 28, 2008 10:31
I for one would have to say that I agree with you at least paritially on both points. If New Line owes them money, then they definitely need to cough it up. They do seem to be getting sued a lot, but it seems to be through their own faulty accounting practices as far as I can tell. I know it seems like the Tolkien Estate sues a lot, but it always seems to be for copyright infringement, which is totally their right.
I'm not a fan of splitting into two movies, or having a "spanner" movie either. It just seems to me to be a way to milk the cash cow a little more.
*Times the word "seems" was used by Aowyn=5. I've got to drop that word from my vocabulary!

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on: March 09, 2008 07:03
There is a new Middle-Earth movie coming out and people aren't discussing it! I know there isn't much info out, but not even a, "Ooooh I'm excited / I hope it's good / Ian McKellen has to be in it or else..."

Anyways. Can I for one say that I really hope that Guillermo (learn to spell it) makes the DVD's so that they sit nicely next to the EEs of LotR. I don't want my beautiful LotR EE babies sitting there, looking gorgeous in all their red green and blueness, and then have del Toro's DVD that's twice the height, half the width, in a fluoro colour with a Comic-Sans-MS type font.
Okay, so it won't be that bad, but you get my point. They need to look like they belong to the same family when they sit side by side on the bookshelf. Or at least like they're cousins or something.

Christmas 2011? 3 and a half years away? Blergh. Oh well. If it's gonna be good, then I can wait. I'm so excited for the bits of news, images, rumours and the like that are going to start trickling through once filming gets underway. Like i've said before, I wasn't part of the pre-release LotR journey, so this part is going to be new and exciting for me.
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on: March 13, 2008 08:47
One of the news bits on the front page says that Ian McKellen and Elijah Wood want to reprise their respective roles as Gandalf and Frodo in the upcoming Hobbit movie(s). That's all fine and dandy for Mr.McKellen, but what does Elijah Wood have going for him? If my memory serves me well, and do correct me if I'm wrong, Frodo was definitely not in The Hobbit. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the events described in said book happened a good twenty-seven years prior to Frodo's birth! Frodo's life prior to The Fellowship of the Ring was not, as far as I am aware, described in any great detail. It was, according to what I've read, quite uneventful. He lost his parents at the age of twelve, was adopted by Bilbo at twenty-one, and, although he occasionally met with Elves, resided comfortably in Hobbiton until setting out for Rivendell a great many years later. So what, I wonder, is Mr.Wood looking forward to? Either he is not aware of Frodo's lack of presence in The Hobbit story, the fine folks in charge of the script are adding their own little twist to the tale, or I missed a book somewhere along the line.

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on: March 13, 2008 09:04
Hee. Del Toro looks a bit like a Hobbity/Beorny/Manly thing. Sorta. If you squint real hard.


He looks like an aged Harry Potter with dyed hair, is what he looks like.
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on: March 13, 2008 10:07
Lavas, I was just wondering the same thing, are they doing one of the movies on what happened in between?
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on: March 14, 2008 07:10
So I've gathered from various tidbits around the net, WP. But even if they are doing one of them on the events between The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, then there's still not enough story there to make a full-fledged movie, unless of course they make stuff up. This is doubly so concerning Frodo's involvement. I'm actually getting rather curious as to which direction the film-makers plan to take these films and how they're dealing with the Tolkien Estate lawsuit (unless of course New Line's folding back into Warner Bros has somehow nullified it).

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on: March 16, 2008 06:22
Wow the traitor for the hobbit is out!? Really? Wow! I didn't know that. That is so awesome!
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on: March 17, 2008 05:05
I'm going to be hugely unpopular because of this, but I'm actually glad Tolkien Est. is suing. Judging from the fact that this is not the first complaint that New Line is withholding previously agreed upon funds (see Jackson's lawsuit), it does appear that New Line is just trying to lay claim to as much of the earnings as possible. I don't claim to know the truth, but that's just the way it seems to me.

Either way, I would rather The Hobbit not be filmed at all than be butchered in half. Filming it in two parts, one of which is mostly a few paragraphs from the appendices extrapolated into two hours of epic fight scenes, is not going to recapture the 'magic' of the movie trilogy. I mean, the Lord of the Rings is a fairly epic work, and yet the movies had to up the action anyway. The Hobbit is hardly epic at all, and it would spoil it to try to make it so. There was one major battle and Bilbo, the eyes and ears of the audience, was passed out for the most of it. What I'm saying is, the LotR movies were incredible, as far as movies go, but the reason that Tolkien purists such as myself enjoyed it was that they were close enough to the books to be bearable. I, for one, won't go see The Hobbit - the action movie, no matter how good of a film it might be. It just hits too close to home.

Then again, who knows? They might not try to make an action movie of it at all. With the two part thing, however, it's a fool's hope.

Well they could make some sort of side story (maybe including a small battle) of the events that made Sauron leave Dol Guldur, that wasn'explained at all in the hobbit and is quite essential to the whole LOTR story. Other than that I can't see how they could split the Hobbit into half. Then again, I'm just glad I can feast on some new ME movies soon .

@Elegia: Thranduil could be played by Orlando Bloom if he won't make an appearance as Legolas, if he would have some makeup to change a few characteristics of his face. After all Thranduil is his dad and could have looked a bit like Legolas. Legolas himself shouldn't really be left out in the movie though, it will make clear to all non-book readers where Legolas comes from if he makes an appearance as well as showing some continuation between the two stories. He should not have a big role of course, but it's actually weird that he doesn't have a small role in the Hobbit book as well (being son of the king).

I'd rather not see Frodo returning, nor any of the other hobbits (Bilbo's actor was too old to play Bilbo again in the Hobbit and the others weren't born yet). Elrond and Aragorn (as a child living in Rivendel) could make an appearance though, but Arwen rather not (I bet she still lived in Lothlorien when Bilbo entered Rivendell).
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on: March 19, 2008 04:25
@Elegia: Thranduil could be played by Orlando Bloom if he won't make an appearance as Legolas, if he would have some makeup to change a few characteristics of his face. After all Thranduil is his dad and could have looked a bit like Legolas. Legolas himself shouldn't really be left out in the movie though, it will make clear to all non-book readers where Legolas comes from if he makes an appearance as well as showing some continuation between the two stories. He should not have a big role of course, but it's actually weird that he doesn't have a small role in the Hobbit book as well (being son of the king).


I don't agree with you on the first part. I think people will think of Thranduil as Legolas if Orlando Bloom is going to play him. And they are two different persons. Family...but still different. So I hope Thranduil is going to be played by another actor than Orlando Bloom. For the second part: Wouldn't mind him making an appareance.

I'd rather not see Frodo returning, nor any of the other hobbits (Bilbo's actor was too old to play Bilbo again in the Hobbit and the others weren't born yet). Elrond and Aragorn (as a child living in Rivendel) could make an appearance though, but Arwen rather not (I bet she still lived in Lothlorien when Bilbo entered Rivendell).


The four hobbits you are talking about, wheren't even born around that time. So I agree with you. Ian Holm is too old to play the younger Bilbo. Elijah Wood shouldn't play him, because he reminds me of Frodo too much. Wouldn't mind Elrond making an appearance. I'd rather not have Aragorn or Arwen in the movie.

I'm very glad they decided to make a movie out of the Hobbit. I hope they really think about the casting.
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on: March 20, 2008 12:24
Wow, It's actually going to be a movie? That's scary. I think I might not want to see it considering my BilboBagginsphobia (hides and cowers in corner) As long as there's no creepy evil Bilbo-ness in it, I'm game for seeing it.
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on: March 26, 2008 09:38
NavaeraGreenleaf, I agree with you. The casting has to be well thought out in order to keep things from being confused. I was pretty excited when I heard about the movie--or idea of it, as the way things seem to be headed--but was wondering to myself who WOULD play these roles? I think it would weaken things if an actor were to re-appear as someone else.
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on: March 26, 2008 01:27
Look, as long as Ian McKellen is in it, I'm sure that would please most fans. It's a pity about Ian Holm though... most people seem to feel as though he's too old for Bilbo now. I mean, he only has to look as young as he did at the start of FotR - the ring hadn't aged him in those decades since he found it, after all. Couldn't we even get him looking that young again? These make-up artists are quite good, you know. Then again, I'm not sure how old he's looking at the moment - it has been years since he filmed his LotR scenes - so maybe he has simply aged too much. But you know how at the end of RotK we see Bilbo looking far older? Well if we could just have that sort of make-up, but backwards...
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on: April 07, 2008 02:42
I agree with you ABaggins OfThe Shire!
Since we saw at he beginning of FotR Ian Holm finding the ring I would like to see him play Bilbo in the Hobbit.
And I would also like to see Elrond played by Hugo Weaving again since we now have his image in mind when thinking of Elrond.

All in all I would like the characters that are in the Hobbit and the LotR to be played by the same actors.

But I don't agree that Orlando should play Thranduil!
First of all because he will remind us only of Legolas and second because Thranduil, being an older elf should look older than Legolas, more mature and more serious...

I'm very anxious to see who's gonna play Thranduil!
Jason Isaacs would look good...

[Edited on 7/4/2008 by EldyTindomiel]
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on: April 08, 2008 04:05
If the movie becomes a reality, I don't expect it to be out for a very, very long time. There will be too many issues at the front of setting it up. The people at NLC need to really get over themselves and stop causing so much ruckus, and not to mention there will be about a year's worth of deciding the final cast, whether or not to make it into two parts, and what to include, and what not to include.

I wouldn't expect it to be out by 2012.
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on: April 09, 2008 10:29
Hi

You know if it does take a while to come out Orlando would probably be old enough to play Thranduil with slightly different make up of course!

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on: April 12, 2008 02:59
Ooh, I second Jason Isaacs for Thranduil

Wouldn't mind Elrond making an appearance. I'd rather not have Aragorn or Arwen in the movie.


Yeah, I hope they don't put too many characters in that don't need to be there. Or make up roles for LotR characters. But Elrond is in the Hobbit, so he better make an appearance!!!!

These make-up artists are quite good, you know. Then again, I'm not sure how old he's looking at the moment - it has been years since he filmed his LotR scenes - so maybe he has simply aged too much. But you know how at the end of RotK we see Bilbo looking far older? Well if we could just have that sort of make-up, but backwards...


I think I read awhile ago that it was really uncomfortable for Iam Holm to have all that makeup on, and he wouldn't want to do The Hobbit because they'd have to do even more. But this was a few years ago so I can't give a source or anything.
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on: April 14, 2008 10:46
Have we discussed yet who would make a good Beorn? Or Bard?
I was reading a website somewhere about this....Richard Armitage was suggested as a possibility for Bard (by the poster, mind--not by any news story!!)
I was actually thinking the other day that Robbie Coltraine might do well for Beorn if he weren't already so well known as Hagrid.

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on: April 21, 2008 04:47
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Christmas 2011? 3 and a half years away?

I didn't know that... that's ages....and there's two Hobbit movies isn't there. I wonder how they're gonna split it.
I think Legolas should have a short appearance (not acted by Orlando Bloom) and Elrond should be in it, played by Hugo Weaving.

Has anyone played Battle for Middle Earth II? They have Thranduil as a hero, would be interesting to see if their faces turn out looking the same.
Aragorn would be quite young- theres no reason for including him. As for Arwen... she's not mentioned in the book. Should stay out of it.
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on: April 24, 2008 03:25
Well, the news just came out that Del Toro is definitely in the game. I'm really curious to hear what you all think about him. I know Abots thinks he'll to a great job, and so far I think I agree.

I watched Pan's Labrynth a week or so ago, and there are some great visual moments. Since I wanted to know more about Del Toro, I also listened to some of the commentary. He seems like someone who's very involved in the art of filmmaking. He was talking about lighting and moods where PJ usually talked about storyline and presentation.

I also watched the minute-long prologue Del Toro made to Pan's Labrynth where he basically sits in his director's chair and calmly states that the movie almost killed him. Woaw. My first thought was; how on earth is this guy going to handle something as huge as The Hobbit? But then I thought, "Hey, if he puts that much effort and creative output into his work, then that's got to be a good sign."
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on: April 25, 2008 01:35
Oh at least we now know for certain that the Hobbits will happen. I guess everyone will be happy, Del Toro gets to travel to Middle-Earth and become a film-making legend, Jackson managed to avoid the director's seat (something which I think was his intention ever since he finished the trilogy), CoE gets to have another spring and us fans will have something to discuss for the following 3 or 4 years

Probably the best bit of news is that WETA will work on the Hobbit as well so at least we know that the technical part of the film will be superb.

The director will in the end be the only riddle in the whole story. Whenever I watch the LotR documentaries I keep getting amazed over how much effort Jackson put in the whole thing. I just hope that Del Tolo is as big maniac as PJ is...
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on: April 25, 2008 05:31
Here, here *waits with baited breath*. Are they bringing back Ian McKellen(sp?) for Gandalf, Andy Serkis for Gollum. And what about bringing back Legolas, Aragorn and Arwen. It's a good idea........ but not in the book.
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on: April 25, 2008 06:19
Well so far it seems he has the intentions of bringing back Ian McKellan, which is great.

I am so ecstatic about this film. I really like what he said in the interview. In case anyone didn't get a chance to read this yet.

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2008/04/25/28747-guillermo-del-toro-chats-with-torn-about-the-hobbit-films/#more-28747
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on: April 25, 2008 07:18
I know everyone is stoked about the news that Del Toro will direct The Hobbit and its sequel. But I've been wondering what will be included in the "bridge" movie between The Hobbit and FOTR.
I did a bit of plinking around, and found some highlights on the Tolkien timeline between the two written works.
Which do you think will make the second prequel movie?

* Sauron expelled from Dol Guldur in III 2941, the same year as Hobbit quest. (Sauron returns to Mordor to rebuild Barad-dur)
* 2944, Gollum leaves the Misty Mountains to search for his Precious.
* 2951 Elrond reveals Aragorn's lineage to him.
* 2953 Last meeting of White Council.
* 2954 Mount Doom erupts, causing last inhabitants of Ithilien to flee.
* 2956 Gandalf and Aragorn meet for the first time
* 2957 Aragorn enters service of Rohan.
* 2968 Frodo born
* 2980 Gollum first encounters Shelob.
* 2989 Bilbo adopts Frodo / Balin attempts to recolonize Moria.
* 3000 Saruman first uses Orthanc stone, becomes entrapped by Sauron.
* 3001 Suspecting Bilbo's ring is Sauron's One Ring, Gandalf and Aragorn begin their hunt for Gollum.

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on: April 25, 2008 02:42
Great job! I do hope that they include all these in the bridge movie!



* Sauron expelled from Dol Guldur in III 2941, the same year as Hobbit quest. (Sauron returns to Mordor to rebuild Barad-dur)
* 2944, Gollum leaves the Misty Mountains to search for his Precious.
* 2951 Elrond reveals Aragorn's lineage to him.
* 2953 Last meeting of White Council.
* 2954 Mount Doom erupts, causing last inhabitants of Ithilien to flee.
* 2956 Gandalf and Aragorn meet for the first time
* 2957 Aragorn enters service of Rohan.
* 2968 Frodo born
* 2980 Gollum first encounters Shelob.
* 2989 Bilbo adopts Frodo / Balin attempts to recolonize Moria.
* 3000 Saruman first uses Orthanc stone, becomes entrapped by Sauron.
* 3001 Suspecting Bilbo's ring is Sauron's One Ring, Gandalf and Aragorn begin their hunt for Gollum.

SOURCE: Encyclopedia of Arda
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on: April 26, 2008 07:28
I know Abots thinks he'll to a great job, and so far I think I agree.


Well, I'm not all like, "Hey don't be mean to my little ickle Guillermo, he's adorable and I know he's gonna be the best thing in the whole wide world"; it's more just that I think he deserves a fair chance and support from us fans, not people rejecting him from the outset, is all. I've not actually seen any of his movies to comment on how I actually think he will be (although I know Pan's Labyrinth was very well received). So hopefully he will be good. I read the tORn Interview (Thnaks so much, xKingElessarx!), and he said things like, "We want to be as exact as possible," "I think you need to use locations as much as possible," (on using Weta and talking to other actors from LotR), "I'm doing this to ensure that whatever we do we keep continuity with the other films," "Alan Lee, John Howe, these guys are integral for us," and all that sort of stuff. He also mentions how he;s very passionate about this world and is coming in with a lot of enthusiasm and hard work. So it's definitely looking positive! and please everyone read that tORn article posted by xKingElessarx above, it's a great read! Also, Ian McKellen is all but confirmed, as is Andy Serkis.

I'm sure he'll want to change somethings from PJs vision, but that's his prerogative as director of the film; he takes the path that makes most sense to him. Which is fair enough really, just as long as the end product is good.

CoE gets to have another spring and us fans will have something to discuss for the following 3 or 4 years.


YAAAAAYYYY!

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I'm still adjusting to the leaner P.J.
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on: April 27, 2008 08:12
Yeah Linwe, Guillermo now looks more like Peter than Peter

I have to say that the interview on TORn was really everything we hoped to hear. A lot of good news there so as long as he indeed does "approach it as passionately and respectfully as it needs to be taken" then I guess we have nothing to worry about

Why can't we get an exclusive Guillermo interview for CoE as well?
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on: April 27, 2008 01:47
I wish that more of the potential characters for The Hobbit had their own websites. Both Ian Mckellan ( here ) and Andy Serkis ( here ) list The Hobbit in their future projects for 2010.
I'm looking for innouncements from other actors but most don't have their own websites.
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on: April 28, 2008 04:42
Just an addition to the list for things that Could happen in TH- Aragorn and Arwen's Romance!!!! Oh, I do hope so!
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:banghead: How am I supposed to pronounce Guillermo anyway? It's a mexican/spanish name, isn't it? That's like a silent.... 'G'..... ? I don't know. :banghead:
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on: April 28, 2008 07:17
I've been pronouncing it: Gway-lair-mo.

I can't say for sure if that's accurate. Maybe someone else knows.
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on: April 28, 2008 10:53
Gee-yer-mo
Hard G like in "gate".
Right?
I think he'll do a good job. PJ loves these stories as much as we do, he's not going to hire anyone he even remotely suspects will screw it up.
The attempted re-settlement of Moria would be a very interesting subject to tackle in this spanner movie...

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Gee-yer-mo
Hard G like in "gate".

Thanks, Aowyn. That's probably the right pronunciation. We'll go with that.
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